The Moz Q&A Forum

    • Forum
    • Questions
    • My Q&A
    • Users
    • Ask the Community

    Welcome to the Q&A Forum

    Browse the forum for helpful insights and fresh discussions about all things SEO.

    1. SEO and Digital Marketing Q&A Forum
    2. Categories
    3. White Hat / Black Hat SEO
    4. A domain is ranking for a plural key word in SERPs on page 1 but for the singular not at all?

    A domain is ranking for a plural key word in SERPs on page 1 but for the singular not at all?

    White Hat / Black Hat SEO
    12 3 1.9k
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as question
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • SimCaffe
      SimCaffe last edited by

      What could the reasons that a domain is ranking for the plural version of a key word on SERPs page 1 and for the singular version not at all? Google knows that both key words belong together, as in the SERPs for one version also the other version of the key word is being highlighted. If I search for the domain with the plural keyword it shows up on the first page in SERPs, but If I search for the same keyword as singular (in German it is just removing an “s”) I see the plural version highlighted many times but I cannot find my domain. What could be the reason for this behavior? penalties?

      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • Theo-NL
        Theo-NL last edited by

        I don't think this is (in most cases) related to penalties.

        My best guess would be exactly keyword optimization (somebody optimizing his page for 'book' rather than 'books' will most likely rank higher for 'book' than he ranks for 'books) and incoming anchor text.

        SimCaffe 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
        • Tompt
          Tompt last edited by

          I have found that in the past this is down to the two keywords triggering different search criteria. One is considered a transactional search, and the other is an informational search. So it may be that is what is happening here.

          What would the keywords be in english (if you don't mind my asking)?

          SimCaffe 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • SimCaffe
            SimCaffe @Tompt last edited by

            Hi, the English key words would be more or less "language course" and "language courses". In German we often put words together to one word.

            Tompt SimCaffe 4 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • Tompt
              Tompt @SimCaffe last edited by

              It seems less likely that it's the informational \ transactional search then, both of those terms I would say sound mainly transactional.

              Is there much variation in the other sites that rank for that term? Or is it just your domain that disappears?

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • SimCaffe
                SimCaffe @SimCaffe last edited by

                The domains that appear in the SERPs are mostly the same but the order is different. Some domains from page 2 are on page one and vice versa. But i would say that there no domain that disappears that dramatically.

                The funny thing is that if you search for the singular term almost everywhere is the plural term is highlighted. So that for me it is obvious that google sees a high correlation between both terms.

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • SimCaffe
                  SimCaffe @Theo-NL last edited by

                  Both versions of the keyword are used on the Site more or less the same. The funny thing is that if you search for the singular term almost everywhere is the plural term is highlighted. So that for me it is obvious that google sees a high correlation between both terms.

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • Tompt
                    Tompt @SimCaffe last edited by

                    Like Theo above says it could be the fact that google make a distinction between singular and plural (example for english courses and english course below).

                    english courses

                    english course

                    If the change is more dramatic than those examples it may be something more exotic, it could be that the search criteria are different as I mentioned or even that google treats different languages differently.

                    I have to admit I now think it's much more likely to be what Theo said, but it could be mixture of factors. If you want to give me the keywords exactly I will take a look.

                    Of course my not understanding German beyond a very very basic level is not going to help the situation. 🙂

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • SimCaffe
                      SimCaffe @SimCaffe last edited by

                      Hi, thanks for your engagement! I am rely looking for new input....

                      The querries are these two:

                      sprachreisen

                      sprachreise

                      which mean "language travel"

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • Tompt
                        Tompt last edited by

                        Okay, my best guess (and that's all it's going to be at this point), is that different criteria are being applied to each word, or at least google's understanding of the word's emphasis is different.

                        Sprachreisen seems to be bringing up results that focus mainly on information about language courses

                        whereas

                        Sprachreise seems to be focusing mainly on information about "Studying Abroad" (which is exactly what google translate thinks sprachreise means but I believe changes the context considerably)

                        This would make the first search more transactional, so people looking for courses, and the second a more informational one, people after information about studying abroad.

                        Based on this I would say get some articles up about studying abroad in general, and see what happens.

                        Now for the Disclaimer:

                        Disclaimer I was working pretty much entirely through google translate so the above theory could be utter rubbish. I would probably still stick with Theo's theory because it's simpler and the way to fix it is exactly the same: build some content around the singular keyword promote it and see what happens.

                        Sorry that's not a huge help, but it's all I've got.

                        SimCaffe 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                        • SimCaffe
                          SimCaffe @Tompt last edited by

                          It is true that people searching for general information are more using the plural of an word. And people who already know what they want might uses the singular as it is more specific.

                          Thanks for your Engagement!

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • SimCaffe
                            SimCaffe last edited by

                            I am still working on these issue. In the past year we tried allot (onpage and offpage) to rank for the singular Keyword, but without much success. We are still on Page 3....

                            In the meantime i am quiet convinced that these is an transactional/informative issue. Which factors could Google use to understand weather a search or a website is more transaktional or informative?

                            Apart of mentioning Buy now, Shop, Buy now, Shop

                            Any Ideas?

                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • 1 / 1
                            • First post
                              Last post
                            • Permanently Moving Few High Ranking Pages from One Domain to Another
                              tigersohelll
                              tigersohelll
                              0
                              3
                              119

                            • Best Location to find High Page Authority/ Domain Authority Expired Domains?
                              alexmall
                              alexmall
                              0
                              21
                              39.1k

                            • Page 1 Ranking - Disappeared!
                              Christy-Correll
                              Christy-Correll
                              0
                              5
                              250

                            • New sub-domain launches thousands of local pages - is it hurting the main domain?
                              VMLYRDiscoverability
                              VMLYRDiscoverability
                              0
                              4
                              257

                            • Site ranking position 1, after 1 day existing
                              matbennett
                              matbennett
                              0
                              2
                              361

                            • How does someone rank page one on google for one domain for over 150 keywords?
                              RyanKent
                              RyanKent
                              0
                              9
                              912

                            • My page rank dropped by 20 places 1 day before it was cached....any connection?
                              linztm
                              linztm
                              0
                              3
                              840

                            • Single Domain With Different Pages Deep Linking To Different Pages On External Domain
                              stevenheron
                              stevenheron
                              1
                              6
                              1.1k

                            Get started with Moz Pro!

                            Unlock the power of advanced SEO tools and data-driven insights.

                            Start my free trial
                            Products
                            • Moz Pro
                            • Moz Local
                            • Moz API
                            • Moz Data
                            • STAT
                            • Product Updates
                            Moz Solutions
                            • SMB Solutions
                            • Agency Solutions
                            • Enterprise Solutions
                            • Digital Marketers
                            Free SEO Tools
                            • Domain Authority Checker
                            • Link Explorer
                            • Keyword Explorer
                            • Competitive Research
                            • Brand Authority Checker
                            • Local Citation Checker
                            • MozBar Extension
                            • MozCast
                            Resources
                            • Blog
                            • SEO Learning Center
                            • Help Hub
                            • Beginner's Guide to SEO
                            • How-to Guides
                            • Moz Academy
                            • API Docs
                            About Moz
                            • About
                            • Team
                            • Careers
                            • Contact
                            Why Moz
                            • Case Studies
                            • Testimonials
                            Get Involved
                            • Become an Affiliate
                            • MozCon
                            • Webinars
                            • Practical Marketer Series
                            • MozPod
                            Connect with us

                            Contact the Help team

                            Join our newsletter
                            Moz logo
                            © 2021 - 2026 SEOMoz, Inc., a Ziff Davis company. All rights reserved. Moz is a registered trademark of SEOMoz, Inc.
                            • Accessibility
                            • Terms of Use
                            • Privacy