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    A domain is ranking for a plural key word in SERPs on page 1 but for the singular not at all?

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    • Theo-NL
      Theo-NL last edited by

      I don't think this is (in most cases) related to penalties.

      My best guess would be exactly keyword optimization (somebody optimizing his page for 'book' rather than 'books' will most likely rank higher for 'book' than he ranks for 'books) and incoming anchor text.

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      • Tompt
        Tompt last edited by

        I have found that in the past this is down to the two keywords triggering different search criteria. One is considered a transactional search, and the other is an informational search. So it may be that is what is happening here.

        What would the keywords be in english (if you don't mind my asking)?

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        • SimCaffe
          SimCaffe @Tompt last edited by

          Hi, the English key words would be more or less "language course" and "language courses". In German we often put words together to one word.

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          • Tompt
            Tompt @SimCaffe last edited by

            It seems less likely that it's the informational \ transactional search then, both of those terms I would say sound mainly transactional.

            Is there much variation in the other sites that rank for that term? Or is it just your domain that disappears?

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            • SimCaffe
              SimCaffe @SimCaffe last edited by

              The domains that appear in the SERPs are mostly the same but the order is different. Some domains from page 2 are on page one and vice versa. But i would say that there no domain that disappears that dramatically.

              The funny thing is that if you search for the singular term almost everywhere is the plural term is highlighted. So that for me it is obvious that google sees a high correlation between both terms.

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              • SimCaffe
                SimCaffe @Theo-NL last edited by

                Both versions of the keyword are used on the Site more or less the same. The funny thing is that if you search for the singular term almost everywhere is the plural term is highlighted. So that for me it is obvious that google sees a high correlation between both terms.

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                • Tompt
                  Tompt @SimCaffe last edited by

                  Like Theo above says it could be the fact that google make a distinction between singular and plural (example for english courses and english course below).

                  english courses

                  english course

                  If the change is more dramatic than those examples it may be something more exotic, it could be that the search criteria are different as I mentioned or even that google treats different languages differently.

                  I have to admit I now think it's much more likely to be what Theo said, but it could be mixture of factors. If you want to give me the keywords exactly I will take a look.

                  Of course my not understanding German beyond a very very basic level is not going to help the situation. 🙂

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                  • SimCaffe
                    SimCaffe @SimCaffe last edited by

                    Hi, thanks for your engagement! I am rely looking for new input....

                    The querries are these two:

                    sprachreisen

                    sprachreise

                    which mean "language travel"

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                    • Tompt
                      Tompt last edited by

                      Okay, my best guess (and that's all it's going to be at this point), is that different criteria are being applied to each word, or at least google's understanding of the word's emphasis is different.

                      Sprachreisen seems to be bringing up results that focus mainly on information about language courses

                      whereas

                      Sprachreise seems to be focusing mainly on information about "Studying Abroad" (which is exactly what google translate thinks sprachreise means but I believe changes the context considerably)

                      This would make the first search more transactional, so people looking for courses, and the second a more informational one, people after information about studying abroad.

                      Based on this I would say get some articles up about studying abroad in general, and see what happens.

                      Now for the Disclaimer:

                      Disclaimer I was working pretty much entirely through google translate so the above theory could be utter rubbish. I would probably still stick with Theo's theory because it's simpler and the way to fix it is exactly the same: build some content around the singular keyword promote it and see what happens.

                      Sorry that's not a huge help, but it's all I've got.

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                      • SimCaffe
                        SimCaffe @Tompt last edited by

                        It is true that people searching for general information are more using the plural of an word. And people who already know what they want might uses the singular as it is more specific.

                        Thanks for your Engagement!

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                        • SimCaffe
                          SimCaffe last edited by

                          I am still working on these issue. In the past year we tried allot (onpage and offpage) to rank for the singular Keyword, but without much success. We are still on Page 3....

                          In the meantime i am quiet convinced that these is an transactional/informative issue. Which factors could Google use to understand weather a search or a website is more transaktional or informative?

                          Apart of mentioning Buy now, Shop, Buy now, Shop

                          Any Ideas?

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