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    Our main competitor is/was doing some Black Hat tactics....

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    • Sean_Gutermuth
      Sean_Gutermuth last edited by

      Our main competitor Royal Cases, a custom case manufacturer and designer, has some really shady links and some dummy domains with duplicate content, yet they are ranking #1 organically for some of the industry's top search terms. Let me give you some examples.

      First off, they have multiple dummy domains with the same exact same content as their main website. One of these is casescasescases.net. They have a couple more that are just as bad.

      Secondly, their link profile is so shockingly black hat, I can't figure out why/how they haven't been deindexed or hit with a filter. I'll give you some examples. I ran a link analysis through Moz, and found multiple links from many websites that have absolutely NOTHING to do with custom cases. Here are a few of the linking domains: http://moneysourceonline.com/ ; www.lemons2lemonade.com/ ; http://jenaesboutique.com/ ; These are just a few. Now here is what I don't understand, when I go to explore the individual inbound links, I can't find the links to Royal anywhere on the pages. They have dozens from different pages on these obviously completely unrelated websites, but when you go to those pages, the links themselves are nowhere to be found. Yet, they are showing up as inbound links....I am lost.

      Does anyone have any idea what in the world is going on here? Is there a way to report this to Google? Normally I wouldn't resort to this sort of "tattle-tailing" but this company has a history of scheming and just horrendous business practices, and they recently had to pay a large settlement for pirating software for their company.

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      • KevinBudzynski
        KevinBudzynski last edited by

        The links may have just been removed. Also, there rankings may/may not been influence by these tactics (they been around since 1998). As you know, many factors matter in organic ranking. You can make a report of webspam at https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/spamreport.

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        • Travis_Bailey
          Travis_Bailey last edited by

          Am I the only one here that finds it hilarious that bsa.org gives companies that pirate software a followed link? Oh man, that is rich. The giggles keep coming.

          It's an expensive link, but maybe your company should turn itself in for piracy? 😉

          They're only shooting themselves in the foot with the duplicate content.

          The site's link profile doesn't look 'shockingly' black hat, though there are some shady spots. It looks like a lot of the newer links were made because the site was scraped. I've found quite a few, at random, that redirect to some Chinese ccTLD. That might be one of the reasons you can't find the link.

          Besides, even crap links can possibly prop up a domain for a little while. (Not recommended) But a site may eventually get hit, or it will drop a bit after new low quality links ebb.

          Maybe you just don't have the domain age... there's a bunch of things.

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          • Sean_Gutermuth
            Sean_Gutermuth last edited by

            Hahah I found that amusing as well. I guess they are just ranking because of their age...I just dont see why they are so high up with such a crappy website, bogus links, and so much duplicate content.

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            • mathamatix
              mathamatix last edited by

              "First off, they have multiple dummy domains with the same exact same content as their main website".

              One of my competitors has been doing this exact thing and have been rewarded by ranking well in Google. I don't even think reporting web spam to Google even works. I can't understand how they haven't been deindexed or penalized for this.

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              • Chris.Menke
                Chris.Menke last edited by

                So scheming and poor business practices makes your resorting to "tattle tailing" OK?  I don't follow that logic. You're probably better off working on building new relationships for your own site than building links to your competitor.

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                • Kingof5
                  Kingof5 last edited by

                  Further proof that black hat tactics work and work well. And they always will work. Google still can't really determine the quality of a link, whether it's natural, negative SEO, spam, etc.

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                  • Sean_Gutermuth
                    Sean_Gutermuth @Chris.Menke last edited by

                    ??? I am confused by your response. I am not building links to my competitor, I am simply trying to figure out why Google has all of these golden rules of what not to do, but yet rewards the websites that use those black hat tactics with high organic rankings. I assure you, I take my job very seriously and I work very hard to make sure I am doing things the right way to get my business ahead of the competition. I reached out to the community of Moz for some insights, you don't need to be so condescending.

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                    • Chris.Menke
                      Chris.Menke @Sean_Gutermuth last edited by

                      um–hum

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                      • mathamatix
                        mathamatix last edited by

                        Now is there anything that can be done to report webmasters engaging in black hat seo? Would you guys even report it? Has anyone had any success reporting webspam to Google?

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                        • KevinBudzynski
                          KevinBudzynski @Chris.Menke last edited by

                          We don't necessarily know what Google is "rewarding" them for. Organic rankings are sometimes not fair, but we just need to work at what believe will benefit us in the long-term.  It's frustrating, labor-intensive and difficult. However, that is why it is also rewarding.

                          I see where Chris is coming from though, in the respect that (I believe) in focusing attention on creating sites with value as opposed to spending efforts elsewhere (he knows his stuff).

                          Good luck!

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                          • SwimsuitsDirect.com
                            SwimsuitsDirect.com last edited by

                            Karma will Kome

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