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    Our main competitor is/was doing some Black Hat tactics....

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    • KevinBudzynski
      KevinBudzynski last edited by

      The links may have just been removed. Also, there rankings may/may not been influence by these tactics (they been around since 1998). As you know, many factors matter in organic ranking. You can make a report of webspam at https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/spamreport.

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      • Travis_Bailey
        Travis_Bailey last edited by

        Am I the only one here that finds it hilarious that bsa.org gives companies that pirate software a followed link? Oh man, that is rich. The giggles keep coming.

        It's an expensive link, but maybe your company should turn itself in for piracy? 😉

        They're only shooting themselves in the foot with the duplicate content.

        The site's link profile doesn't look 'shockingly' black hat, though there are some shady spots. It looks like a lot of the newer links were made because the site was scraped. I've found quite a few, at random, that redirect to some Chinese ccTLD. That might be one of the reasons you can't find the link.

        Besides, even crap links can possibly prop up a domain for a little while. (Not recommended) But a site may eventually get hit, or it will drop a bit after new low quality links ebb.

        Maybe you just don't have the domain age... there's a bunch of things.

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        • Sean_Gutermuth
          Sean_Gutermuth last edited by

          Hahah I found that amusing as well. I guess they are just ranking because of their age...I just dont see why they are so high up with such a crappy website, bogus links, and so much duplicate content.

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          • mathamatix
            mathamatix last edited by

            "First off, they have multiple dummy domains with the same exact same content as their main website".

            One of my competitors has been doing this exact thing and have been rewarded by ranking well in Google. I don't even think reporting web spam to Google even works. I can't understand how they haven't been deindexed or penalized for this.

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            • Chris.Menke
              Chris.Menke last edited by

              So scheming and poor business practices makes your resorting to "tattle tailing" OK?  I don't follow that logic. You're probably better off working on building new relationships for your own site than building links to your competitor.

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              • Kingof5
                Kingof5 last edited by

                Further proof that black hat tactics work and work well. And they always will work. Google still can't really determine the quality of a link, whether it's natural, negative SEO, spam, etc.

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                • Sean_Gutermuth
                  Sean_Gutermuth @Chris.Menke last edited by

                  ??? I am confused by your response. I am not building links to my competitor, I am simply trying to figure out why Google has all of these golden rules of what not to do, but yet rewards the websites that use those black hat tactics with high organic rankings. I assure you, I take my job very seriously and I work very hard to make sure I am doing things the right way to get my business ahead of the competition. I reached out to the community of Moz for some insights, you don't need to be so condescending.

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                  • Chris.Menke
                    Chris.Menke @Sean_Gutermuth last edited by

                    um–hum

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                    • mathamatix
                      mathamatix last edited by

                      Now is there anything that can be done to report webmasters engaging in black hat seo? Would you guys even report it? Has anyone had any success reporting webspam to Google?

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                      • KevinBudzynski
                        KevinBudzynski @Chris.Menke last edited by

                        We don't necessarily know what Google is "rewarding" them for. Organic rankings are sometimes not fair, but we just need to work at what believe will benefit us in the long-term.  It's frustrating, labor-intensive and difficult. However, that is why it is also rewarding.

                        I see where Chris is coming from though, in the respect that (I believe) in focusing attention on creating sites with value as opposed to spending efforts elsewhere (he knows his stuff).

                        Good luck!

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                        • SwimsuitsDirect.com
                          SwimsuitsDirect.com last edited by

                          Karma will Kome

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