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May have been a mistake but the main reason is that the .com was a hybrid mix of html and wordpress and ever since I added the blog as 'part' of the site it only made the Panda issues worse. I was originally hit by Panda 1.0 and have never been able to shake it off. If you look at the wayback machine for the site you will see that it has completely changed.  Then Panda 20 struck and left me holding my tail meaning that 98% of my pages were not even showing up in the serps.  So I was thinking that moving only the wordpress install and then porting over the html pages into wordpress will give it a fresh start. But since I have done that, now nothing is ranking, last week the home page at least appeared in thh top 5 for the brand term. But that has me concerned because the majority of the backlinks are branded or at least the url, so if I can't even rank for my own brand it seems like this whole change killed it completely at this point.

You mentioned 6 weeks for one of your changes, perhaps I still need to be patient with it.

Now that the site has been ported into wordpress on the .net, perhaps it's best to move that back to .com since the url has a pretty solid MozRank compared to .net. I know doing that will completely screw up the rankability for month or three though. So I really am at a standstill as to how to procede with this project to get back into big G.  Every other traffic source is doing fine, but for some reason as we all know that G traffic just tends to taste better.

Hey Shane, thanks for the response. Yes the 301 is page for page, not all pointing to the main url.

Old: http://www.burnworld.com

New: http://www.burnworld.net

To me it seems that none of the link juice is being passed which is strange because even a search for my brand has the site either #4 or 5 and no other pages are getting serp luv at the moment, even though a site:burnworld.net has all the pages in that index and webmaster tools shows them all crawled from the sitemaps.  It's just none are showing in the main index.

Andy advice will be greatly appreciated.

I have just redirected our old domain to our new domain using a sitewide 301 redirect.  That was on Dec 6. Since none of the pages are showing in the serps unless you search specifically for a paragraph in quotes.  But I am also very concerned because scraper sites are coming up before my site. Here are a few examples:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS398US398&biw=1223&bih=799&sclient=psy-ab&q="The+decision+to+choose+between+duplication+and+replication+depends+upon+the+circumstances+of+each+individual+project.+Since+the+creation+processes+for+replication+and+duplication+are+so+different%2C+the+final+products+are+also+very+different."&btnG=&pbx=1

and here is one I just took off the site and put somewhere else:

https://www.google.com/search?q="Blu-Ray+players+have+really+come+in+to+their+own+in+the+past+few+years.+Blu-Ray+technology+provides+the+best+sound+and+picture+quality+of+any+media+format+on+the+market.+In+spite+of+the+great+leap+forward+that+Blu-Ray+represents,+there+are+still+a+good+number+of+people+who+haven’t+made+the+transition+from+traditional+DVD+players+to+the+Blu-Ray+format."&hl=en&tbo=d&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS398US398&ei=Gk7nUN2oMYrA8AT74IEo&start=10&sa=N&filter=0&biw=1223&bih=799

and yet another:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-Address&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&sclient=psy-ab&q="At+the+Windows+8+BUILD+conference+we+learned+that+Windows+8+will+allow+you+to+mount+ISO+and+VHD+files+natively.+++So+no+longer+is+there+a+need+for+a+3rd+party+ISO+file+software+such+as+Daemon+Tools+however+if+you+have+copy+protected+DVD+or+games+you+will+still"&btnG=&pbx=1

Notice the pattern, all of the results have my site (the originator of the content) at the bottom. I am very concerned with this as I'm sure this means Penalty up the ..... something.

What is my best move at this point?  Is there any chance of getting out of this?

Just be thankful you are not in this position, it sucks. But I'm still positive I can do something with this site.

Thanks

Rob

I appreciate the feedback EGOL. Is this statement based on experience with other sites? I don't see how all the content can be worthless.

So getting back to my original question, how long on average does google take to add a site back into the index after doing a 301 redirect?  Webmaster tools does show that 165 out of 170 pages are indexed from the sitemaps, but the index status only shows 12 and this was the number before the switch, so nothing has changed there.

Appreciate the feedback Paul, regardless of what it is.

The main reason for 301 was due that there was a complete site redesign, layout, internal linking structure, rewriting/updating/removing content, etc.. I was hoping that the domain change would be treated as a new site with all the updates that we did and to eliminate the hornets nest of the .com which was a hybrid mix of html and wordpress.

Because of all these changes is google just filtering out the content until it knows what to do with it? Meaning it has crawled it enought times to know what it is?  It's just strange that Binghoo renamed everything properly but google has completely filtered it all out.

Not encouraging to hear EGOL, but if that's the reality with google now then it really does look like they are pushing the little guy out regardless of PR on the site.

So do you think that I have a chance on my content ever showing back in the google serps after doing the site 301 redirect?  Should I undo the 301 or does that cause another potential ranking issue?

yeah that's what I'm thinking too. All these rss scraper sites are now outranking the original content. Does not seem to make sense to me though as all these sites link back to the original article.

Would it make sense to put time into redoing the content to try to outrank my original content that is now strewn across scrapers and feed sites?

I thought that google made an update that made finding and giving credit to the original source more reliable.  Is that true for only for certain 'brands'?

How about adding pages around similar related terms?  If you have a branded term for the sitename, you should be able to get away with that.

Hey Gang,

Finally joined the big boys here, excited to see what we all can do together.

Here is my situation.  I have been struggling since panda 1.0 on a particular site at www.burnworld.com. Over 2011 we figured out what the issues were with the content and went on a major cleanup. This seemed to help towards the end of the 2011. However further panda updates this year mainly April have again struck. This was after adding a wordpress blog to the site late 2011, so it was a mix of a traditional html site and a wordpress blog.  Thinking that this could be an issue in May this year we transferred all the content over to wordpress only. We did keep the same linking strucutre using a permallink plugin to set specific url's.

Forward to Panda 20. This wiped out all rankings and then we could not even rank for our own content.  One site that syndicates our content is now ranking for our content instead of us, and many 'feed' sites that scrape out feeds also rank insead of us.

Okay now to my original question.  2 weeks ago we pulled the plug and made the decision it may be best to start over on www.burnworld.net since the .net in the past was a blog on wordpress (which was shutdown earlier n 2012), but sat with about 5 pages of content until we did the 301.

So today none of the pages are in the main index and I am wondering if doing the 301 might have been a mistake by pointing it to an existing site that never really ranked.  Would it have been best to start on a new domain?

How long have others seen before google puts the pages back in the main index?

Would like to figure out the best action to take to get back into google's good graces. I'll keep this page updated so others with this issue can hopefully have a resource to turn to.

BTW- nothing has chaned with Binghoo, rankings are all the same and they have updated the domain change properly.

How about adding pages around similar related terms?  If you have a branded term for the sitename, you should be able to get away with that.