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Wohoo, a response that really touches on everything.. I wish I could give you more thumbs up. Thanks Matt. I did not mean to be so hard on Jordan or you but that never answered my question. I don't have a manual penalty yet but I really dont want to be slapped with one, so I"ve been tip toeing and almost not trying to get noticed by Google. LOL. A 70% chance of getting a penalty can be really scary for someone who dropped a full-time job for a website. Neil dropped a nice post about it yesterday http://www.quicksprout.com/2015/08/05/the-step-by-step-guide-to-fixing-any-google-penalty/. Ive read the links you sent me and will try concentrate on the broader picture. Thanks Matt