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    • Millermore
      Millermore last edited by

      I am in the process of moving all of my client's websites to HTTPS. I have a client with an SSL certificate through GoDaddy for an e-commerce site, and my host WP Engine offers them for $50/year each. This has been fine, but now I am trying to move about a dozen sites over and I'm just trying to figure out the best, most ideal way possible to do this. I could just go through WP Engine and pay them for the certificates, but after doing research on different SSL providers, I've totally confused myself. I have seen a wide range of prices for certificates, but I can't tell if it's just BS or there is actual value. I'm talking about a $10 certificate vs a $250 certificate through Symantec.

      Aside from that, I have found a few different types of certificates: single domain certificates, wild-card certificates for subdomains, and a multi-domain certificate. I would love to buy one multi-domain certificate that covers all of my websites - but I'm not sure what the pros and cons are of doing this, specifically in regards to SEO. Can anyone explain what the pros and cons are for these in my specific situation?

      I'd love to hear any recommendations for my situation, and if there is something else I am missing that is important, please share!

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      • max.favilli
        max.favilli last edited by

        10$ vs 250$, the only differences are the brand selling them and their customer service, the brand theoretically affect conversions, if you believe your visitors are going to check the certificate authority and trust one more than another, I don't and I wouldn't go for the more expensive.

        But I would go for the EV certificates, just because the browsers will show the website company name just before the url, and I have the impression that does instill trust. But it's just my opinion and googling around you can find opposite views on the subject.

        single domain, wildcard or multi-domain, again from a technical perspective are all the same; multi-domain sounds very attractive but do have few drawbacks, first whenever a user check the certificate only one company name and one domain is listed, for all domains the details will be the same; furthermore (and more important) to use UCC certificates you also need a webserver supporting SNI, not all web servers do, and last but not least you need visitors using browsers supporting SNI (which rules out anyone still using windows XP and anyone with old browser versions)

        with regard to SEO, are all the same, it's not the certificate by itself which matters, but to follow the right procedure when moving from non-ssl to ssl: http://moz.com/blog/seo-tips-https-ssl

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        • Millermore
          Millermore @max.favilli last edited by

          Thank you very much for that response, and for the links. I just finished reading through that Moz article in it's entirety. Between that and your response, I agree that the EV sounds like the ideal certificate to go with. Now here are my new questions:

          Now I want to get an EV Certificate and I want to go 100% HTTPS site-wide, as these seem to be the most ideal combination, especially long-term for SEO. I just finished a long phone call with WP Engine regarding this situation. While they resell RapidSSL Certificates, they do not offer EVs. I can still buy one from someone else and bring it over though. When I told him I want to go 100% HTTPS, they told me they can help me but it will add an increased load time because the site needs to make the handshake everytime a page loads. Right now my site loads at .1 seconds (WP Engine rocks!) and I don't really care if it doubles with 100% HTTPS. However, he told me it will add 1-2 seconds. That sounds like a lot to me. We went back and forth on this alot, but he stuck to it that generally it will add 1-2 seconds.

          I noticed that Symantec sells $1500/yr SSL Certificates. The higher up you go in the tiers, the faster the speed, at least they claim. In this case, does this mean if I want my site to still load at .1 seconds with 100% HTTPS I have to pay $1500/yr? If so, that leads me to this question: how is it possible that Google wants your site to load under .25 seconds, yet they want your site to be 100% HTTPS? I mean, if I have to pay $1500, it is what it is, and that will definitely separate the big boys from everyone else - and my clients might be fine with that. But something else is leading me to believe that something in this overall equation is not right - I must be missing something or have something wrong here.

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          • max.favilli
            max.favilli @Millermore last edited by

            How much you pay for the certificate has nothing to do with performance.

            Google doesn't want your website to load under .25 seconds, they never gave a specific number above which they penalize or below which they prize. The general consensus is a TTFB (time to first byte) below 1s is ok, below .5s is great.

            Keepalive is standard for browsers and servers these days, page load under https will be affected only by the initial handshake.

            I never used wpengine, I have no idea how https is going to impact a website hosted on their platform, they should know if they have other customers who moved.

            In my experience with the websites I moved from http to https the performance didn't degrade at all, both TTFB and full page load stayed the same, TTFB under .4s and page load below 5s; but no one of these websites were using either WP or shared hosting.

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            • Millermore
              Millermore @max.favilli last edited by

              I probably had at least 5 more phone calls with people about SSL yesterday after I posted here. Ends up WP Engine overestimated the time, and they think it'll add less than half a second which I can deal with. I also learned that the certificate won't really affect speed.

              I decided to allow my clients to choose which route they want to go with, a $50 SV from GeoTrust, a $300 EV from GeoTrust, or a $1000 EV from Symantec. I explained to them the main difference between the $300 vs $1000 option is really just the name, and how visitors trust the brands.

              My next dilemma is whether or not to go 100% HTTPS. I am leaning towards it - I just don't know if it's overkill or not. I'm assuming 100% is the long-term ideal route. If, for example, I have an e-mail opt-in in the footer or sidebar of all my pages, I guess it'd be best to secure all of the pages then. I'm assuming the only negative is a possible reduction in load time?

              Thanks a lot for the awesome responses. I really feel like I'm getting a much clearer picture of this whole situation.

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              • max.favilli
                max.favilli @Millermore last edited by

                By the way, I buy my certificates here: https://www.namecheap.com/

                In my opinion from a visitor perspective, to move in and out of ssl during a visit is bad; they would notice something is changing and average visitor wouldn't understand. So I would go for a 100% https. If you google about it you will find a lot of testimonial saying moving everything from http to https didn't have much impact in terms of performance. In my opinion the bad name of https is all coming from ages ago when protocols and hardware were not very good at managing it.

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