SEOMoz is ripping everyone off.
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Mr Johnson
as already stated by many of the responses above SEO has changed and is no longer as easy as it once used to be. SEO MOZ is not Google , opensite explorer is only a indication of what the google bot sees. However it is still very possible to rank and to rank on very competitive terms, 3 things needed , TIME + Money + understanding= results the first variable is something a lot of people cant do, Money is dependent on a number of factors ie if you are working for a business , personal project and the overall outcome you are expecting to get , example you may rank top but only in a market thats worth 50p a year , in which case spending £2000 to get top is pointless.
The 3rd is understanding I can teach a monkey the basics of seo , but what that person does with that knowledge is upto them, I have shared my knowledge with several people the ones that embraced it and run with the basic fundamentals of work hard , follow the rules avoid the " rank fast link build program" ( Ive tired them all ) have in most cases surpassed me and now it is I who learns off them .
I know nothing about SEO as it evolves almost daily I think it is almost impossible to keep up , but with having a wider community I am able to access the collective mind and so learn faster. ( knowing nothing has still aloowed me to dominate several very large competitive terms for the last tree to four years. When my web design clients started to ask about seo 5 years ago i was scarred to death if I saw over 100,000 results. But i decided to learn 9 I had to , on the arrival of my first child in order to provide the life I wanted to provide her, My day was the same as your , full time job then home 8pm till 4 am back up at 7 30 am to do the day job.
I failed many many times :)))))))) But that is part of succeeding
Someone has already covered that crap directories will harm your sites trust , I would love to know the domain you are / having been having no luck with.
Success is usual that one step away after most people quit. KEEP GOING (But take on advice that seems to be for coming from several on this thread)
May the force be with YOU
Winners never QUIT , they just understand failing is part of success.
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LOL
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Oh Mr.Big Johnson...
You are so wrong.
Lets do this... give me $3000/month - for 5hours of SEO/day for you. (and this priceis VERY LOW my friend) and I will get ur keywords to top positions (everyone knows that the no.1 spot cannot be guaranteed... especially you who claims to knows SEO like the back of his hand).
Articles and directories... huh??
what about social media optimization, optimizing your website's users' metrics, guest blogging, building a unique content strategy and actually implementing it.500articles on repeated topics can be beaten by 5 articles on truly unique topis.
Remember that content is not just articles and directories brother...its everything fromvideo andpodcast and infographic to articles and press release andblogcomments.
In fact... do this.... FB is Google's competitor right? Design and execute a powerful FB campaign to get hundreds of visits to a particular page and ensure that the Bounce rate for these visits is low, time on site and page high and ensure u place social sharing buttons there so somepeople LIKE and TWEET and Share urpage on linked in.You will be amazed at the SERPs for the keywords in the title tag of that page.
Finally AND MOSTIMPORTANTLY... don't say anything to Rand. He is a wizard... a genius and what many new and aspiring SEOs want to becomeone day. Including me
- $800/month - that is some price. But the fact is that people pay that and continue to do so every day and every month... why?Bu Bye!
BTW Rand...do you really charge $800/hour for your consulting??? is that really true?
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SEO is not dead.... but as well as SEO you need to understand marketing and Brand management....
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I am honestly surprised that anyone would say that about SEOmoz 1st off SEO is marketing "a technique used to acquire more customers" 2nd you had 30 days to try it for free I honestly hope you don't feel duped over paying nothing. However it sounds like things just didn't go your way and I feel for you happens to all of us however please don't take it out on a company that has actually benefited my life quite a bit. I think SEOmoz is a family like environment and if you were expecting something else you get all the 30 days you ever need to say it's not for me. However people saying SEO is dead what do you hope to replace this with? Another word for SEO Roger has been pro-and marketing his entire career (he told me on twitter so I know) inbound marketing is SEO Internet marketing is SEO and SEOmoz + HubSpot are to companies I think of as much more than faceless corporations their helpful and will do their best to help you succeed. I agree with the gentleman below it is a shame the Yankees did not call however when you quit during tryouts you have a chance.
All the best of luck,
Thomas
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You've made a good point here, and I agree SEO will only work if its done correctly.
I've only recently joined SEOMoz and started to get involved within the community here, but I can say that you do need a basic grasp of SEO concepts if you're to get the best possible results from the tools available online (by SEOMoz or otherwise).
If you use tools incorrectly or don't understand the data that is being shown to you then its easy to chuck hundreds of pounds into Google advertising and in three months time you might be no better off.
I wasn't able to see your original comment, but I agree with Jennifer Sable Lopez; using the Q+A section to rant about things probably isn't the best use of anybody's time but at least a (mainly) positive discussion has started as a result.
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If only your directory submissions and article marketing got this many natural responses!
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For the record, I'm jealous too. I want to make lots of money like Rand. If only I had a subscription service worth subscribing too...
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I agree with with the sentiment of this post and respect to SEO moz for keeping it live and respect to Big J for having the courage to post a counter argument.
I do beleive that Google's ultimate goal with be to "take out" manual intevention ie SEO consultants have their days numbered...
There is a kind of new age fundamantalist vibe about about some SEO consultants, an arrogant beleif that they can out wit the Google gods. But occassionally out of all the guff an occasional puff of wisdom wafts out of all the hyperbole...
In truth I'm 50% on the SEO train, the other half is cynical...
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"Tell me I am wrong, tell me how to get ranked".
"The only thing I haven't tried is buying links, maybe I should try that?"
"Or maybe since my domain was parked before I bought it google is penalizing me?"
"Or maybe I am in the supplemental index?"
You're the "expert", you should be telling us!
Writing 500 articles and submitting your website to hundreds, even thousands, of directories can actually kill the rep of your site.
"Google is giving precedence to companies who have been around for a long time and naturally deserve the highest rankings. There is no way for a new or small company to compete with that."
To try and compete with these sites is foolish. Would you try and compete with Walmart by opening up your own discount chain? Compete with McDonald's by opening a lousy fast-food burger chain? No. People compete with larger, well-established companies such as McDonald's by creating a better product. By being innovative. You need to offer people something that is new and unique. Sure, it's frustrating as hell at times, but that should only spark new ideas. You can't just throw up an identical product and hope that it picks up and takes off right off the bat. That's why company's throw millions, even billions each year in brand recognition so that when any given consumer thinks of the word "car", they think Toyota (or whatever). You can't just build your own Toyota and hope it competes. You need to go above and beyond what the big boys already have to make your name in any business.
I don't consider myself to be even close to an SEO expert, but I'm quite confident I have a much better understanding than you. Bypass all the directories and article submissions, and focus your efforts on contacting and obtaining backlinks from reputable, relatable websites to yours within the same niche.
How to beat the algo updates is to get your name out there onto high-trafficked websites that can send you a ton of traffic. That way, you don't have to count on the SERP's day in, day out.
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My first invitation to you would be to identify and subsequently throw out all your assumptions you seem to be quite commited to.
Google does't want you to pay to improve your rankings"
You know this to be true how? If you truly believe this and some of the other things you wrote in your post I can't help but get the impression that your definition of SEO is gaming (tricking) Google.
Instead maybe focus on creating high quality content worthy to be ranked and helping Google fullfil it's mission by providing relevant search results.
Hence why social activity is becoming the dominant factor as it is most likely a measure of quality than the back linking which over the years has grown completely out of control.
No point in doing anything until you maybe change the paradigm you are operating from. Take a breath, meditate a little and see if any of this makes sense.
The support here is out of the world.
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Or as someone told me once, "Everyone can play basketball, " but you don't want everyone on your team.
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SEO Step #1: Good Content
SEO Mistake #1: Thinking Google is about rewarding your SEO efforts
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I am very interested to know something Mr. Johnson. If you believe SEO is dead, what are you doing now instead of SEO to promote your site?
It sounds to me like you were sold on the idea that doing business on the Internet was going to be fast, easy money. Once you found out it was hard work with no guarantee of success, same as starting a business anywhere else (maybe harder), you got ticked off.
Did you give up. Or are you still at it? If you're still at it, now that you've abandoned SEO, what are you doing to be successful with your site?
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SEO works fine for me, though I would guess since you've tried "everything in the book" that you've been reading the wrong book.
I would suggest you try Adwords since that's where Google would like to push everyone, but Adwords is a hell of a lot harder than SEO. If you can't make it here, you certainly won't make it there. My clients do well in both organic and paid search simply by using many of the principles that most people in this form are familiar with. It's not rocket science, but indeed, you have to follow the right advice, "read the correct book," metaphorically speaking. Find out what your competitors are doing and do it better. Then double the effort so they can't catch up.
I can't tell you whose advice to follow, but stay away from gaming the system and build your business with sustainable practices and you'll get there. I'm new as a Pro Member, but from what I can tell SEO Moz is right on the money.
And by the way, one of my clients is in the top 5 most difficult industries for SEO and in the toughest market in the world. They're consistently on the first page for their #1 search term so I know it still works. Hope you stick with it.
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Hey Dino64,
Welcome to SEOmoz!
Sha
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Is -1 Moz Points common? Never seen it.
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Yes, that's what happens when someone gets more downvotes than they have upvotes. It doesn't happen often, but it can definitely happen.
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" I have tried everything in the book and consider myself an expert on the concepts of SEO."
"The problem is I feel strongly that SEO is dead. "
"The only thing I haven't tried is buying links, maybe I should try that?"
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And of course the need for decent content
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