Factors that affect Google.com vs .ca

[RobM416]

Though my company is based in Canada, we have a .com URL, we're hosted on servers in the U.S., and most of our customers are in the U.S. Our marketing efforts are focused on the U.S. Heck, we even drop the "u" in "colour" and "favour"!

Nonetheless we rank very well in Google.ca, and rather poorly on Google.com.

One hypothesis is that we have more backlinks from .ca domains than .com, but I don't believe that to be true. For sure, the highest quality links we have come from .coms like NYTimes.com.

Any suggestions on how we can improve the .com rankings, other than keeping on with the link building?

[DavidKauzlaric]

It's a pretty well known fact that non-US versions of Google are not using the same algorithm and therefore are "behind". This could be the case where you are employing methods that a couple years ago were effective and are working well for .CA but on .COM not as well.

The biggest thing you can do is work on high quality content and build links. Remember, linking is somewhere around 70% of the algorithm alone. Work on getting more .COM authoritative links from sites like NYT, USAToday, etc...

Also, if a good portion of your links are from .CA, that very well could affect it too!

[eyepaq]

Agree.

We did a link building campaign for a german website (dot de) and most of the links were from .com websites. They started to rank very well on google.com and google.de had only minor impacts. Is clear that the links should be from the same country zone if you want to rank in that particular area.

You should focus on links from .com domain - but that should be easier then building links from .ca.

You should also get a google maps account with your US location - if you have one. That alone should bring up your results in the US.

[KeriMorgret]

Hi Rob,

Have you seen any changes with your rankings on Google.ca and Google.com? Do you have any other questions or comments you can add to help others that may be in a similar situation?

Here's hoping you got to enjoy two long weekends in a row from both countries!

[RobM416]

Still no breakthroughs on this issue. Our performance keeps improving on .ca and .com, which is obviously good, but our ranking on .com is always very, very far behind our .ca performance.

It's still a mystery to me, given that most of the inbound links are from U.S.-based, .com websites.

The only answer that works in my mind is that .ca uses a different algorithm. But I'm still very interested in hearing other thoughts!

Thanks,

Rob

[AndyKuiper]

The competition is usually stronger in the USA (.com) arena than in Canada (.ca). I have a little company site (with little work done in the way of SEO) that ranks #3 in both .ca and .com for "wheelchair trays". You may want to adjust your settings on Google WebMasterTools to ensure your site is set to United States rather than Canada. As David Kauzlaric has mentioned, you will definitely benefit from having more links from US based sites - I'd focus on that as a first step.

[RobM416]

Thanks for the answer. A couple of questions come to mind:

Won't setting our Google Webmaster Tools to United States hurt our performance in other parts of the world? So far I've made a point of ensuring that Webmaster Tools has us as not geo-specific ("Target users in: unlisted", on the Site Configuration > Settings screen of Webmaster Tools).

Also (on the advice of another SEO advisor) we verified our Google Places location, so is there a risk of sending mixed signals to Google and getting hurt by that?

[AndyKuiper]

I suspect having the settings in WMT set for the USA "might" hurt your performance in other areas, however the small company website (that gets 90% of its business from the USA) I mentioned in my prior response has the setting set to USA and it ranks #3 for it's main search term in both .ca and .com. Having claimed a Local Places account might also be an issue. I'd suggest you contact either Todd Mihm (http://www.davidmihm.com/blog) or Mike Blumenthal (http://blumenthals.com/blog) for an answer to that question.

[AndyKuiper]

Sorry, I meant David Mihm -- oops!

[dittoeffect]

I have noticed that getting links from the appropriate TLD extension really determines where you rank on each google serps for the individual country.

you can search for sites related to yours for the specific TLD by putting inurl:.com in google along with your keywords.

the same thing works for all other extensions.

this makes finding .edu link opportunities a breeze for example

Besides link building you will want to make sure on webmaster tools you have set your targeted country to the country you want to rank best for. For example I have a site about college students which I've set to target the US since Canada mostly calls post secondary education University and College so the audience is split much more.

Hope this helps.

[seoroyal]

I had exactly the same with a spanish site of mine .es for a long time i was first in google.com but knowhere to be found in google.es . Everybody kept telling me that this was not because i had a lot of .com link and none where .es But when time passed without any link changes the keywords aked well in google.es . So is it maybe the case the some countries are just a few months behind?

[omarzee]

Hey Rob,

I have a bit of exp with this - had a Canadian based site that wanted to target the states. We were ranking well for .CA and not so good in .COM. I actually did this in WMT for a site - set geo-targetting to USA - and after a week or so started noticing a huge jump in .COm for a lot of keywords. What was great was that the rankings in .CA stayed consistent.

The only drop I noticed was in the .CA (Canada Only) searches. These completely dropped off the map. But normal searches in google.ca were fine.Don't know if this will always happen, but this is my experience.

[RobM416]

Final verdict:

I took the plunge. Even though our product is geography agnostic, I changed our Webmaster Tools setting to "U.S."

Sure enough, we immediately saw some improvements in the google.COM rankings. Not much of an impact on .CA, and any loss here was definitely made up in the new .COM traffic.

I'll be doing a deeper dive into the data later.

Thanks everyone.

[AndyKuiper]

Thanks for letting us know how things worked out Aspirant.

Andy

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