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    • RyanKent
      RyanKent last edited by

      If you are willing to offer the URL of this particular page, along with the terms you optimized the page for, I am very willing to help.

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      • mybabyradio
        mybabyradio @RyanKent last edited by

        Hi Ryan, this is the URL it currently sits on:- http://www.mybabyradio.com/experts-faq/conjunctivitis/ look forward to your reply. 🙂 Oh, the term is "conjunctivitis". Last time I checked it was appearing at number 13 in Google searches in the UK. Now, it's gone, where I haven't a clue. Or even why?

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        • RyanKent
          RyanKent @mybabyradio last edited by

          I went to google.co.uk and searched for conjunctivitis and found you at...spot 13 just as you suggested.

          If you are not seeing yourself there, perhaps you are using google.com, not google.co.uk? Or perhaps your browser is customizing your results based on other factors?

          http://www.google.co.uk/#q=conjunctivitis&hl=en&prmd=ivns&ei=njD3Ta1TgbqxA_CdybEH&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=72a27cabded3e8a4&biw=1920&bih=927

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          • mybabyradio
            mybabyradio @mybabyradio last edited by

            Hi Ryan, very odd. I've just clikced your link and I still can't see it. I use firefox and whenever I want to get a clean search I go into > tools > private browsing. Is there something else that I need to do or plugin I need to use?

            Cheers 🙂

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            • RyanKent
              RyanKent @mybabyradio last edited by

              An additional note. You did a good job of optimizing the page for your keyword. There are a few opportunities for improvement.

              1. Add a canonical tag to your page. There are at least 4 URLs which lead to the same page:

              http://mybabyradio.com/experts-faq/conjunctivitis

              http://mybabyradio.com/experts-faq/conjunctivitis/

              http://www.mybabyradio.com/experts-faq/conjunctivitis

              http://www.mybabyradio.com/experts-faq/conjunctivitis/

              Those are considered 4 separate URLs, each of which can be linked to and divide your page's ranking. Adding a canonical tag will ensure all of your link juice flows to the correct page.

              2. Decide which version of your URL is preferred for your site, www or the non-www. Once you decide, add a 301 redirect to enforce your decision, then take a look at your site and ensure all your links use the correct URL.

              3. Optimizing is a great idea, but using "conjunctivitis" 24 times on a page goes far past anything needed for a search engine. There is not any exact number but I would say using the term four times should be sufficient, and six times is very safe. I would advise adjusting the content for the best readability and resist the urge to use the keyword at every opportunity.

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              • RyanKent
                RyanKent @mybabyradio last edited by

                Peter, I am using FF and tried private browsing. The result is the same.

                Rather then troubleshoot FF, can you try opening up a IE or chrome browser and checking your result?

                You can also try FF or any browser from another pc.

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                • mybabyradio
                  mybabyradio @mybabyradio last edited by

                  Hey Ryan, thanks for the on page assessment above I will narrow down the keyword to 6 in the article. I take it I'm ok with it in the htags. Not sure how to do these canonical tags though. Where do you put them and how do they look?

                  Now, just gone into IE and seen our listing ranked at number 4. This is getting a bit weird now. 😞

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                  • mybabyradio
                    mybabyradio @mybabyradio last edited by

                    Also, just been downstairs and done a search for the term on two separate PC's on a variety of browsers with different IP's than what we use upstairs and our searched term didn't appear in google's searches. Now I'm baffled. 😞

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                    • mybabyradio
                      mybabyradio @mybabyradio last edited by

                      Oh, and as another slant. I've just done a Google search on my iPhone and it appears at number 13. Obviously there's a discrepancy somewhere?

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                      • RyanKent
                        RyanKent @mybabyradio last edited by

                        Your htags look good to me.

                        The code for a canonical tag looks like:

                        The canonical tag can go anywhere within the tag of your page.

                        Once you decide upon a URL style, be consistent throughout your site. You can decide on www vs non-www, and whether pages should end with a trailing slash.

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                        • RyanKent
                          RyanKent @mybabyradio last edited by

                          You used to see the search result at #13, I see it at 13, and your iphone sees it there as well. I am going to go with the ranking of 13.

                          The other search results can be affected by numerous factors. Search Safe, your location, which Google search engine is used (uk vs .com vs others), past browsing history, and numerous other factors can be used to adjust the search results. These changes can happen even if you are not logged into Google.

                          With the above noted, the results are jumping around too much for my taste. I would suggest you perform additional tests, try clearing cache, try other browsers ( ie / chrome ) on the same pc and see what you come up with.

                          Good luck.

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                          • mybabyradio
                            mybabyradio @mybabyradio last edited by

                            Hi Ryan, I've added the canonical tag, but when I've saved it it's swapped around the the way you've listed it. Check it out in the source and let me know what you think? Also, all the URLS should be like this http://www.mybabyradio.com/experts-faq/conjunctivitis/ How do I do a 301 redirect?

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                            • mybabyradio
                              mybabyradio @mybabyradio last edited by

                              I agree, strange but more testing is required me thinks. In regards to the canonical tag this is what it looks like in our source:- Thinking on shouldn't it look like this

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                              • mybabyradio
                                mybabyradio @mybabyradio last edited by

                                Hi Ryan, for now, I'm gonna take the canonical tag off as I'm not sure it's right or if they're even helping sites. Just read some horror stories about these tags. Look forward to your reply in due course.

                                Many thanks

                                Peter

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                                  • oznappies
                                    oznappies @mybabyradio last edited by

                                    The canonical do help as they funnel the links to provide rank for the http://www.mybabyradio.com/experts-faq/conjunctivitis page. If you leave it out and follow Google webmaster tools you will see duplicate content errors showing up with the 4 urls Ryan mentioned highlighted.

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                                    • oznappies
                                      oznappies @Guest last edited by

                                      Any unsafe sites will be removed from the pages. So if you are 15 and there are 2 unsafe sites between 1 and 15 your rank will move up 2 spots to replace the pages that cannot be shown and so your rank will show 13.

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                                      • Hurf
                                        Hurf last edited by

                                        I had a very similar problem with my own site disappearing from the SERPS, but showing as it should on any other PCs (that I hadn't previously used.)

                                        The problem then related to Google's personalised search. Essentially, I had accidentally deleted my site and prevented it showing up in personalised search - though it still worked in any other browser that wasn't displaying my personalised results. ( See this article: http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-test-lets-users-vote-add-and-delete-sites-in-serps/6031/ )

                                        To remove personalised search take a look at: http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?answer=54048

                                        This sounds to be a likely suspect for the issue you are having.

                                        Personalised Search can also provide false results as you are seeing personalised results, based on your search history, activity and preferences, rather than the non-personalised results as they actually appear without personalised bias in the SERPS.

                                        You can see your web history settings here: https://www.google.com/history/

                                        Hope that helps!

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                                          • RyanKent
                                            RyanKent @mybabyradio last edited by

                                            Hi Peter.

                                            I am not clear what you mean by "swapped around". If the position of the href and rel properties were reversed, that is fine.

                                            As far as which version of your link is used, with or without a trailing slash, that is up to your preference. I tend to think that a trailing slash represents a folder while a lack of a trailing slash represents a page. My preference for the conjunctivitis would be without the trailing slash.

                                            The canonical tag, like most tools, can be used correctly to help your results. If used incorrectly, your results can worsen. It is a very important piece of code along with 301 redirects. I highly recommend taking a bit of time learning about both. My best advice is google "Matt Cutts canonical" and reviewing some of the results, along with "Matt Cutts 301".

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