Whoa I hit rank 1 for Cheap SEO Service and many others in less than 24 hours no backlinks no Onpage SEO nothing!
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It is fairly difficult to discuss when we don't have any information to discuss. What was you ranking before? How quickly did it move? What did you do?
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Where is a good place to post this here in SEOMOZ ? I have evidence and I am more along the lines wanting to discuss this instead of getting an answer, because there is no answer for this really, it's more along the lines of a full discussion. I want to learn more if others discovered this.
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It wasn't ranked, I had no rankings at all to it ever. I don't even have a backlink to the keyword. I only attempted to get it for 1 day ever.
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Ok, a good question then might be how closely Google views "affordable" and "cheap", and how you're doing with the spammy links. In this thread at http://www.seomoz.org/q/seo-best-practice-use-tags-for-seo-purpose-to-add-or-not-to-add-to-sitemap you mentioned that " We also rank for many terms for our main SEO company that are very competitive here in the US. We did hold rank 1 for Affordable SEO until I woke up one morning and someone spammed our site with 1000's of bad links, so we have been working on getting that back up, but it happens."
Or do you have more than one SEO site in question?
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Ok sounds good, I will make a better post with a better question. Very sorry I wasn't trying to just get attention on this, I could post it on a lot of other places to do that. I was merely trying to give everyone a heads up that something big is going to come soon. I could recreate this on a site in less than 30 minutes. I will do this to a few other sites / niches that have nothing to do with relevant terms and come back with some proof that it's not just the same type of keywords etc.. I think have been doing this for about a week, but just realized it. I also did this with a term that is 27,000 exact hits a month, but will get some proof together. I was just excited that I found this, maybe it's not a good thing and maybe it's not long term, but I did find it and it could be a large issue and mess up SEO if this got it. A person that has 30 minutes could easily do this. Have a great night.
Also I have my site added in the SEMOZ tools and you can see my rankings for the last month and a half. You can see that I wasn't ranking for any terms.
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There could be loads of reasons for this.
Personalised search results? I didn't confirm you are number 1 but maybe just number one in your google results
New domain given a big boost in google. Usually drops off within 2-3 weeks
Google is going through some major serps upheaval at the moment and there is a lot of spurious links ranking highly. Maybe you are benefiting from this.
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We've got a discussion going now and some more information, I'll let this one stay. I look forward to seeing what information you add as you go along. As you add details, other people can share if they've discovered whatever it is you have discovered.
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It's not just my Google results I am very aware of clearing cookies and not being logged into Google while manually checking. I also getting daily updates sent to my email with my ranking software I use.
It's not a new domain, it's 2 years old
Yes it could be the changes, but I highly doubt it, I feel that what I did, because it was the day before. I also feel that I did this with a few other sites, because they all happened overnight. and separate days of the week when I did them.
This isn't some kind of trick, we work on 1000's of sites per month and know a crazy tactic when I see one and this is crazy. It's not your average do a press release and you rank for a day high and then fall because you did one. Or get a new domain and throw links at it quick and you rank up for a few days and fall. This is a tactic that I honestly feel would ruin SEO overnight. Maybe it would get patched quickly, maybe it wouldn't. I just hope it doesn't fall into the wrong hands...
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I looked at your site in openexplorer and you have 6 inbound links with the term cheap seo services. So it's not true that you haven't links for this.
Also it's a myth that you need exact match keywords. Google knows that affordable and cheap are interchangeable.
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Brian,
If I do have them, these couldn't be recent links, and as we all know variations also don't rank up the same.
For example look at who's ranking for seo service and seo services. There are two different sites.
I personally don't see other site ranking like mine for the affordable and SEO terms and there are many SEO sites going for them. I agree that they are similar, but I feel that they are anticipated different due to both of them being a bit competitive. They aren't the easiest to attain rank 1 for, but not at all the hardest either.
I said I have no backlinks for cheap seo service. I may have a few for cheap seo services, but 6 shouldn't matter compared to 80 + high quality links the other site that was in first did have. Plus the quality of the cheap seo services links are low. If I remember right they are on a inner page of a site and not even on the home page. So I am guessing that the links don't have over a pa of 20 right now. So this would go against everything we go by here at SEOMOZ.org correct?
Ok if that doesn't prove, then what about this keyword inexpensive seo services that was overnight as well. I don't recall many if any backlinks to this. I also don't have any onpage for any cheap term or inexpensive term.
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If the changes happened 16th/17th like you said I would wait to see if they are part of the latest google update which is looking like it's half way through.
openexplorer takes 1-3 months to show links but google responds within days so it could be that you have a really powerful link or two recently added.
Keep watching the serps but in the meantime make the most of the position.
Without you divulging anything else about what you did then it's a guessing games and all the guesses are "could be's"
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Yes it was the 16th through the 17th. Also I feel that the updates started the 11th. I have a site where it started to lose a lot of backlinks on the 11th and before that it lost 0 for 3 months. During the 11th to the 16th it suffered a loss of 1800 backlinks. Terrible, but it lead me to feel that it was the updates doing it.
Well anyways, I am not claiming to be magic or something, this is an easy task and I am 100% sure you could do this and many others.
I would like to release what I did, but I don't feel it's a good idea to, unless we want to lose business. If SEO was easy no one would need us for the grunt work it takes to rank keywords up.
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Spam.... lol Delete!
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How is this spam again? Most people can't think out of the box that everyone puts marketing in. Most want to say no it's not possible, but it is very possible. My rankings are holding on the first page still. BTW I deleted my method, my rankings fell 100% and I performed my tactic again the next day and they came back, however not as strong. Many that have been following this will see my rankings dip for about 27 hours on no pages at all to page 1 again.
To me this is a real tactic and no it's not spam. It's a real working tactic. I have many tactics that a lot don't think about that work hence the reason I hold rank 1 for payday loans in 2 countries that still get over 20k hits a month exact.
Since this started I implemented this with several other sites and 3 of many people from this thread contacted me by email and I proved to them in many ways by new sites that it's working.
However I too really want this thread to come down at this point too. I don't really want it up, I have had many emails asking if I can do this to their site and I don't want to perform a new tactic on anyone's site but my own. After I test it for a while then yes I will be glad to.
I will tell you what, to yet again prove this method works, watch my rankings. You will see them fall 100% off of every page for cheap seo terms and I will yet again rank them back up quickly to the first page. I can't control when they take them down, but I can control how fast they go back up. So when they do fall back off, watch my rankings go back up. My luck it won't work again, but lets try.
Have a good night.
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Exact Match Domains do not perform well because they are an exact match. They perform well because they have an increased click through rate. There is nothing Google can ever do to fix this because it is user behavior. Their only option is to discount click through rate.
That is not going to happen.
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Tell that to my brand new exact match cheap SEO site ranking on page 1 for cheap SEO. It's such a fresh index you can only see 4 backlinks in SEOMOZ explorer.
Not to mention the other 57 keywords like cheap seo services, and a lot of others I am ranking for it... 3 weeks and have ranked for all of those terms... Cheap SEO isn't that easy to get page 1 for or everyone would have it and wouldn't have to pay $7.50 a click in ppc to get to it right?
Have a good night and thanks for stopping by.
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