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Yup I fully understand this, I belive that they are high authority sites with needed content and deserve high rankings. I just found it weird that they were once spread out below the average 'Joe' website but now seem to be clumped together in their rightly deserved positions. I find it entertaining trying to explain to client that it is near off impossible to rank in top 5 for <service><location>style queries while sites like this exist, the information I provide them just does not sink in.</location></service> Thank you for your reply.