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    • EGOL
      EGOL last edited by

      You made a number of changes in a very short time.   Keep in mind that google has lots of different servers, delivering SERPs pulled out of different data bases, with experimental algos running all of the time, new data going in, old data going out, and normal daily flux overprinting all of that.

      To determine what is really happening, make one change and wait at least a couple of weeks before you make any judgement.

      Also, for a query like "foam roller" there is going to be some competition, enough that a small tweak to a title tag is unlikely to make a huge difference.

      If you change "Foam Rollers | OPTP" to "Foam Roller | Shop Premium Foam Rollers | OPTP".... that is a really small tweak that does nothing but make it a little repetitive.   I would, instead go for something that.....

      *** adds a value proposition like "free shipping"

      *** elicits clicks such as...  "over 100 varieties"

      *** or broadens your keyword reach such as.... "for therapy and massage"..... "for painting and texture finishing"... depending upon what type of rollers you sell.

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          jmorehouse @EGOL last edited by

          Hi there,

          Thanks for the reply. I thought the same thing about an adjustment to the title tag making a small difference. That is why I was so surprised when the page dropped in rank so significantly. Unfortunately the multiple changes to the page make it impossible to isolate the detrimental factor, but if I revert all of the changes, is it reasonable to think the page would return to a similar position next time it is indexed?

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          • jmorehouse
            jmorehouse @PatrickDelehanty last edited by

            Hi there,

            Thank you for the quick reply! I am actually getting my ranking from a keyword tracker I have configured in Moz as I realize performing a search would yield inaccurate results from personalized search.

            As for the sitemap, it has been properly submitted and is updated on the first of each month. Canonical tags are also set up correctly and have not been recently modified.

            I'll take a look at some of the other links to see if I can find any helpful information there.

            Thanks!

            Joel

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            • EGOL
              EGOL @jmorehouse last edited by

              is it reasonable to think the page would return to a similar position next time it is indexed?

              I can't give you a confident answer.  I know of situations where people made a lot of title tag changes in a short amount of time and the pages went deep into the SERPs and did not recover to any reasonable rankings for a long time.

              At our office we rarely tweak title tags, when we do, we enter the details into our SEO log and wait a month or more before trying something new.  Also, when we write title tags today we focus on a very readable message that is enticing instead of gunning keywords as was common a few years back.

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              • PatrickDelehanty
                PatrickDelehanty @EGOL last edited by

                ^ This is a great practice.

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                • jmorehouse
                  jmorehouse @EGOL last edited by

                  Thanks for answering. Luckily we have other pages that rank on page 2 for that term. They are not really optimized for that keyword, but I'm reluctant to make any changes at this point!

                  Focusing on a readable message makes the most logical sense. We second-guessed this strategy based on the decreasing rank and thought we might be losing out by not including the singular form of the word, which is searched about 10 times more often than the plural.

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                  • PatrickDelehanty
                    PatrickDelehanty @jmorehouse last edited by

                    Awesome Joel! Keep me posted if you need anymore help!

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                    • EGOL
                      EGOL @jmorehouse last edited by

                      We don't even think about singular or plural any more when writing title tags.

                      Here is a suggestion.  When you visit a news site and see the content promotion ads from Taboola, Outbrain and others, read their captions.  Those captions are designed to elicit clicks often to the point of being spammy, suggestive, explicit or vulgar.   The people who write those title tags are experts. They know how to get the clicks and getting the clicks, I believe, is a huge ranking factor in the organic SERPs.

                      I have learned a lot from them and although I really dislike a lot of their ads they can give you an education.  So, if I was selling foam rollers, I might consider title tags like...

                      Foam Rollers - Get yo' bones straight  🙂

                      Foam Rollers for when you back is out of whack !

                      Those are just very quick efforts and you can certainly do better because you know the product and how people use it.    If there was a lot of money to be made selling foam rollers I would be spending a LOT of time to get a great title tag that makes people want to click into your webpage.

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                      • jmorehouse
                        jmorehouse @EGOL last edited by

                        That's a very interesting approach! I like the idea, but although it may be effective in gaining clicks and thus positively impacting our rank, our organization is very focused on maintaining a high level of professionalism, so informal title tags may not be suitable for us. I appreciate the suggestion, though!

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                        • EGOL
                          EGOL @jmorehouse last edited by

                          lol...  I understand.

                          Still, I would toss something like that out at the next meeting and tell them that it could be a Rocket Fuel.   :0

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                          • jmorehouse
                            jmorehouse @EGOL last edited by

                            I'll certainly bring it up. Maybe we can use the general concept and agree on a page title that accomplishes the same goal without sacrificing brand consistency.

                            Thanks again for the great suggestions.

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