?3dCart, Magento, Volusion, Zen Cart? Looking for recommendations based on my situation.

[RyanKent]

Hi Luxwork,

I would like to learn and understand more from your reply.

When you say "forget about the CMS", I can understand if you have a store with thousands of items. There are people who spend tens of thousands of dollars developing their shopping cart. But for small sites who are selling around 100 items, do you still feel this way? If the look and feel of the store is not the same as the site, then the user experience and branding will be lessened.

I would ask the same question about the sub-domain. We are not talking about a Nike shop with thousands of items, but a relatively small shop with around 100 items. By moving the store to it's own domain you are losing all the DA of the main domain. Is your advice still to use a separate domain for small shops?

With respect to the costs of changing shopping carts, I agree the costs would be high but if you truly have full control over your URL structures, there would be zero loss from 301s. The structure I am working on setting up is mysite.com/store/productname. If I am successful, then if I was to change shopping carts, the URL would remain identical. That is one of the advantages of having full SEO control over your shopping cart, right?

Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences and I would look forward to your blog article.

[PEnterprises]

LuxWork,

Thank you as you clarified a LOT for me. I have been considering going with a hosted shopping cart solution for one of my new sites and now it appears that is not a good idea. If you wouldn't mind clarifying a few more things in line with what you said.

1. One thing the hosted solutions lean on is all the added services such as social media integration, amazon/ebay integration etc etc. So if I were to go with a self hosted solution I will have to have a developer create these things for me when he modifies or creates my site?
2. If my stores are generally small 50 products or less and one that is 150 products this still all applies correct?
3. Do you have any suggestions for which shopping cart solution would be best for this situation: I would like something that is fairly user friendly, something that makes seo easy to implement and. Maybe you could give me a list of the top 5 best choices and I can do some research on them.

Thank you

[PEnterprises]

Also, I think that would be a great blog post! There is a real lack of clarification on what peoples options are and what they should be doing based on their situation.

[JoshGill27]

We deal with many ecommerce clients on a daily basis and have found that those who want to manage their own and dont' want to worry about hosting and all the stresses of hiring a developer like with Magento enjoy using Shopify. Shopify is reasonably priced, we have had good SEO success with it, and has a ton of apps that extend it's functionality. For someone in your position it is worth looking at. Thanks.

[RyanKent]

Shopify seems like a nice service but is incredibly expensive for a simple store.

I have two clients with simple stores. They only sell a couple products and generate around 20k sales/month each. Their current shopping cart is "asecurecart" which is only $15/month with no transaction fee.

If they move to Shopify and purchased the minimum $29 plan, the 2% transaction fee would mean $400/month in fees. The plan that works out the cheapest with Shopify is their $179/month plan since it's the only plan without a transaction fee. You are paying over 2k/yr for a shopping cart when ZenCart and other solutions are free.

Perhaps it is sensible for very large stores, or shops with very low sales volumes, but it seems like a very costly way to go otherwise.

[JoshGill27]

Agreed. We just spent so much time trying to fix crazy magento problems that the price seems worth it even though your right, our clients spend anywhere to 150-300 dollars a month. I guess it just depends on how you look at it and how much money you are brining in. Good point though.

[PEnterprises]

The more I read the more I become confused lol. I am now considering going with a hosted solution as well as a licensed solution so I can learn for myself which is better.

For my clients sites they will probably need a solution such as Magento as they can hire a team etc.

I however only operate stores that cary 5 to 50 products. I am thinking going with a hosted solution like big commerce or 3dcart will allow me to get it set up worry free and concentrate on my marketing. They seem to tell me absolutely everything can be customized if I hire someone and let them work on the code. Is this not correct?

Any thoughts?

[LuxWork]

Re "Forget about CMS"
My comment is in regards to getting an ecommerce solution that has a blog function built in. The Shopify blog system is worthless and has next to zero customizations. I would give it a D in terms of functionality. I meant forgot about the CMS when you want to run a separate blog.

Im confused again, are you adding a store onto an existing domain name, or is this a brand new store?

You never pass 100% of link juice if it is from 301's or canonical updates. I dont have a scientific answer but it is probably 65-80% depending upon factors like quality of links and number of links.

[LuxWork]

1. It depends upon the level of solution integration. Volusion just uses a lame "share this" button. I actually might write a blog post on the different levels of social sharing. Not all share buttons are created equal. Either way yes, a developer can generally add on the proper integration if the ecommerce allows it. It sometimes requires some advanced changes to the template for all social button integration.

2. Yah I would say 50-1000 products is about the same. That is about 20 categories with 50 products in each category (about average).

3. My picks

#1 interspire

#2 volusion/big commerce

#3 shopify

#4 magento

[LuxWork]

I havent looked at 3d cart in a while. I might check it out to see what they are doing.

[LuxWork]

I think this brings up a great point about cost of ownership/maintenance. If you need to keep paying people to "fix things"- that really sucks.

Thats why I dont recommend magento to most people, cause I just hear it takes a ton of work to get it setup.

Simple is usually better, but attention needs to be paid on requirements like if you need special reporting, customer features, custom product templates, inventory management and other things that are critical to your business.

[RyanKent]

Is ZenCart not listed because you don't like the cart? Or have you not worked with the software?

[AHH888]

Hey Lux,

Hope you can provide some advice since you worked at Volusion. We are using Volusion right now, it was fairly easy to set up but we have now grown to the point where we need to customize the shopping cart and add a blog (they only allow subdomains, which google treats as a seperate domain). We also need to integrate 3rd party apps like freight calculators and Powerreviews, but do not have access to the back end coding, neither FTP SQL support...

I'm thinking we may need to start a domain and build from scratch, as we've invested tremendous resources into SEO and do not want a big hit to our rankings. Any recommendations from you on which platform and shopping cart to use?

Some quick notes on our site:

• 1 year old

• 1000 sku but will need to expand to 10,000 in the future

• No IT professional (we will need to hire one in the future)

[zeepartner]

i have a few customers now that work with magento. they're all satisfied and as far as i can see it's pretty much optimised out of the box already. you can tweak title tags, urls, meta descriptions, on page copy and i've not seen any duplicate content issues. definitely the solution i would chose, were i to open an ecommerce.

[LadyApollo]

As a retailer i have used actinic, interspire, oscommerce and am soon to release a magento store.

Interspire i believe is now retired and their support for the product was rubbish which was such a pity as it was so easy to use. Actinic are well behind the curvea nd the software was very buggy. oscommerce was a pain  but magento i have found to be really versatile and really not so complicated as people say to use.

You can have a designer re-skin it from scratch, buy a template or buy a template close to what your looking for and then just get it modified - this can save a bit of money.  There are loads of extensions that are quite simple to install using Magento connect .

The only downside is it is resource hungry, you'll need a dedicated server to really give it the juice it needs and for us the order processing was hideously longwinded - but there are extensions that can help abbreviate it.

One of the hardest things for us was finding a cart that ticked all the usual boxes but also one thats workflow somewhat resembled ours - you don't want to reinvent all your warehouse pick-pack procedures just 'cos your software says so!

Anyway that’s my personal take. HTH.

[kwoolf]

Late to the party here. I'm a Magento user with only about 30 products. The reasons I chose Magneto is for it's hangling of multiple languages. It is by far (and I mean really far) the best at handling multiple languages and maintain continuity as far as design, functionality, and SEO.

This leads me to my second reason: Extremely SEO friendly! I've worked with or demoed shopping carts for Joomla, Wordpress, Modx, and other hosted solutions. Magento can be (actually it must be) customized to do anything you want, like localized checkout process, automatic template switching for holiday promotions, e-mail notifications for any action, custom invoices, and the list goes on. Really, the only limits are either your programming skills or your budget.

About resources, I have to disagree with Ryan on this one. I run my instance on Rochen reseller hosting without issues, granted my site is fairly low traffic given that it's for catering and frozen delivery. But I put out mid-90's on both YSlow and PageSpeed, and that's something I don't see very often with other platforms.

Anyway, if you haven't committed, I do suggest getting to know Magento, but you might need to hire a professional firm to handle development.

Kevin

[CherieP]

Hey AHH888,

Wondering what you ended up doing? We're just on wordpress now with a plugin for the cart but are considering volusion. My main concern is loosing the great SEO we have with our wordpress site right now since one or the other will have to be on a subdomain?

[iung]

For simple stores with less than a hundred products, we use Concrete5 cms; the ecommerce addon is easy to use and the whole thing is good for SEO.

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[Adlanera]

With respect to the fees of changing buying carts, I agree the expenses would be excessive but in case you honestly have full manage over your URL structures, there might be zero loss from 301s as you can see here on hunting apps. The shape I am working on putting in is mysite.Com/keep/product name.