The evolution of Google's 'Quality' filters - Do thin product pages still need noindex?

[QubaSEO]

I'm hoping that Mozzers can weigh in with any recent experiences with eCommerce SEO.....

I like to assume (perhaps incorrectly) that Google's 'Quality' filters (formerly known as Panda) have evolved with some intelligence since Panda first launched and started penalising eCommerce sites for having thin product pages. On this basis i'd expect that the filters are now less heavy handed and know that product pages with no or little product description on them are still a quality user experience for people who want to buy that product.

Therefore my question is this...
Do thin product pages still need noindex given that more often that not they are a quality search result for those using a product specific search query?

Has anyone experienced penalty recently (last 12 months) on an ecommerce site because of a high number of thin product pages?

[Andy.Drinkwater]

Has anyone experienced penalty recently (last 12 months) on an ecommerce site because of a high number of thin product pages?

I have indeed, although it was more because all they carried on the page was literally a few lines per page and no value-add. Most of what was there was copied from the manufacturers site.

Google have also said they prefer you not to no-index pages, but instead, try and make the pages better. I would be cautious of advising that yes, no-indexing is a good idea, without knowing more about the site and taking a look.

Is there something going on with the site that is causing concern, or is this for a new site before they launch?

-Andy

[QubaSEO]

I have indeed, although it was more because all they carried on the page was literally a few lines per page and no value-add. Most of what was there was copied from the manufacturers site. Interesting, would you say that the pages were still a good quality search result for those using a product specific search query? i.e the searcher was able to fulfil their search intent and buy the product?

Perhaps I give Google too much credit...

[Everett]

QubaSEO,

I think many people give Google too much credit. As Andy said, one would need more information to tell you whether noindexing those thin product pages is a good move. At minimum, link, traffic and sales data for each of the URLs.

My advice is to read these posts and do the research necessary to make a customized decision for your site, as opposed to seeking general "best practice advice".

https://moz.com/blog/pruning-your-ecommerce-site

https://moz.com/blog/content-audit-tutorial

[QubaSEO]

Thanks for joining the discussion Everett!

The ecommerce site in question currently has most of its product pages noindexed. This was implemented back in 2013 because the pages either have no product description  or just a single sentence. The noindexing did bring about a Panda recovery at the time.

The site is currentky being redesigned and relaunched and a decision has to be made re. whether to leave the noindex on product pages in place. Three years down the line from when I recommended the noindex and three years of listening to Google's rhetoric re. providing content that gives  quality user experience and I'm now looking at these pages and thinking....  "You know what....these pages would actually be a quality search result for people. Anyone searching for what they're optimised for (the specific product name) is likely to have the intent to buy. These pages allow you to buy the product that you want!. A product description is pointless.  The searcher knows the product and wants to buy it and this page allows you to buy it from a site that is well known and trusted in it's niche!"

Because this is obvious to me I was hoping that it is now obvious to Google's quality filters and I can remove the noindex and get more traffic. Perhaps not....

[Everett]

I don't think releasing a lot of thin and duplicate content product pages back into the index is a good idea, but if you try and and prove me wrong I'd love to know.

[MarieHaynes]

My apologies for taking so long to get to this question after you asked. Here are my thoughts.

Have you seen this article that I wrote for Moz on Panda and thin content?

https://moz.com/blog/have-we-been-wrong-about-panda-all-along

I don't actually believe that Google demotes/penalizes eCommerce sites for having thin product pages. I think it's much more complicated than this.

Most of the eCommerce sites that I have seen that were hit by Panda were, in my opinion, hit because their sites had very little to offer users to make them rise above the competition. If 10,000 different sites are all selling the same product, which site is Google going to show at the top of the search results?

When Panda first came out, people were quick to jump on the "duplicate content" bandwagon. Lots of people were rewriting product descriptions because they felt that they would be penalized for using stock product descriptions. But this is not true. If an eCommerce site is demoted by Panda or by a Quality filter I think it's extremely unlikely for it to see improvement just because the product description is rewritten.

Similarly, I don't think that noindexing product pages will make a big difference in the eyes of Panda. Now, if a site has a huge number of urls for each product (i.e. different sizes, colours, options, etc.), it's important to canonicalize those pages. In my opinion, this isn't for Panda reasons though but rather to help optimize your crawl budget and make it easier for Google to understand your site. You don't want Google to spend all of its time crawling 2000 variations of one product and not visiting the rest of your site.

So, back to your original question. Should we be noindexing product pages with no or little product description? I don't think there is a black and white answer for this. I would likely start by looking at analytics data to see how user engagement is for these pages. If I'm looking for a particular product, it may not actually need a product description. If your site is one of the few that sells this product and the page itself is useful then it might be ok. Check your analytics...are people spending time on these pages? Are they immediately bouncing off? Are they making purchases after visiting these pages? Or are they mostly pages that nobody ever visits? If that's the case then perhaps they shouldn't be in Google's index.

Another thing to look at is whether these product pages are frustrating to users. If you do have some indexed, you can look at data from Google Search Console Search Analytics. See what queries those pages are ranking for. Are those pages likely to answer the user's query? If not, if they are likely to frustrate users then they could be a Panda risk. For example, let's say you have a product page that is ranking relatively well for questions like, "How to choose a [product]", "what sizes does [product] come in?", "[product] user reviews". But, let's say that your particular page that is ranking for these terms doesn't answer any of those questions. It's my opinion that if your product pages are consistently not providing searchers with what they want, then they are at a risk for a Panda demotion and that demotion could be on your site as a whole.

I think Google is getting much better at figuring out what sites are most helpful to users. In most cases, rather than deciding on what to index and what to noindex, I think the better spend of time and money would be on finding ways to improve the user experience overall so that your site is by far the better option than your competitors'. It's hard to do that objectively though. You may need to get nonpartial users to visit your site and your competitors' sites and tell you honestly which site they would prefer for research and for purchasing.

I've likely skirted your question a little. I don't think the answer is black and white.