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    • Artfx
      Artfx last edited by

      I'm in the process of preparing my company's ecommerce site for a redesign - largely to move to a responsive design and improve issues with UI and some much-needed features. This is a very small ecommerce business (Less than $300K annually), and we have settled on Magento Community Edition for our platform. We understand it to be very "SEO" friendly,  and its similar to our current platform - it gives us a lot of flexibility in design, and it appears scalable.

      While I am aware of our current sites shortcomings (from an SEO standpoint), I was wondering if I should employ an SEO person/company to do a pre/post redesign audit. I looked at the MOZ checklist, and ran my site through Hubspot and WooRanks free tools, and am aware of what they are reporting as SEO items to be fixed.

      As I am so small, I was wondering if an SEO audit in addition to what I already know might be overkill? Any thoughts/suggestions are welcome.

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      • EGOL
        EGOL last edited by

        Selling on the web is a highly competitive game.  I am a tiny company and big companies crush little companies like me every day.  All they have to do to get into my space is to toss some new products onto their site and upload those pages and they could be kicking mylittleass by Monday morning.  Anybody between you and the heavy weight champion of the world could be showing up in my space within hours.

        Kicking mylittleass is the profit growth that my competitor's shareholders are demanding.

        So, if I do something like implement a new design and go to a new platform and tweak my UI and a few other things without getting some input from someone who knows more than I do, about different things than I do, and who is watching some of the other methods being used by other people that are getting success then I have really done nothing to improve my competitive position.

        I can go into work next week, implement these new things, whistle while I work, sip coffee, stay comfy and think that I am being competitive or I can get a smart person to tell me where I am loafing, kick me in the pants and push me into kicking my biz up a notch.

        Every dollar that I have made has been taken from somebody else.  Every single dollar.   That's how it works on the web.  So, if you are not reaching for their throat when they are reaching for yours then you might see your revenue fall by 50% by the end of the month.

        Just saying that I get second, and sometimes third opinions on smaller moves than you are talking about for a company that is not that much bigger.   I am writing a check to a consultant almost every month.

        I think that it is a lot better to get periodic input than it is to get input only at major changes and that is an awful lot better than to think... "I am a nobody and it really isn't worth paying somebody to tell me how I can kick it up a notch... and I don't want to hear them telling me "you are screwing up here".... "do this differently"....  "you are slacking here"....   If I have that attitude, I'll be a nobody for sure.

        The heavyweight champ has a coach.  I think I could use one too.

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        • RobertFisher
          RobertFisher last edited by

          Artfx

          You have started off correctly, I suggest that you also run the site through Screaming Frog and download the data so that you have an idea of what you do have and the responses. When you do the redesign also run Screaming Frog and check page to page - especially if you end up with redirects. 
          You could do an SEO audit, but it sounds as if you are already clear you have issues. If questions come up in the redesign, ask them here in Q&A and get the pro help you need. If, after all of that, you need paid SEO audit help, you will have heard a lot and be better prepared to interview SEO firms for that project.

          I hope that helps you out. Also, Magento is used by a ton of people; you should be fine with it.

          Best

          Robert

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          • Artfx
            Artfx @EGOL last edited by

            Yep, I get all of that. I've experienced page rank siphoning, blatant misuse of my brand name, not to mention a lot of frustration with the big guys that somehow garner traffic for stuff they don't even have! So I guess you helped me answer that question!

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            • Artfx
              Artfx @RobertFisher last edited by

              Thanks, Robert. That's a great suggestion to manage errant URL's and minimize lost rank due to improper redirects. I am a new user of Screaming Frog as well, and really need to take full advantage of it.

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              • DanielFreedman
                DanielFreedman last edited by

                Agree with the answers, but not the idea that Magento is especially SEO friendly. Input of image tags on products is a royal pain!

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                • Artfx
                  Artfx @DanielFreedman last edited by

                  Thanks, Daniel. And just when I thought my decision was made about the platform! Is that your only complaint about Magento? It seems as though Magento was the most popular choice with regard to an SEO-freindly platform. Is there one you think is better that is open source?

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                  • DanielFreedman
                    DanielFreedman last edited by

                    I’m a great fan of the Yoast/WordPress combo.But you would need an e-commerce solution on top of that. It could range from Shopify to one of the WordPress plug-ins. It all depends on how complicated your e-commerce is. The developer I worked with on my Magento site (three years old) says he wouldn’t make that choice today. Updates and day-to-day management are just too exasperating.

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                    • LesleyPaone
                      LesleyPaone last edited by

                      Just a note on Magento, there are a lot of rumors that the CE is going to be discontinued soon. They already announced they are dropping 2Go and another business product. They closed the community forums a couple months ago, I have heard several rumors at events in the industry that they are going to a paid only model.

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                      • DanielFreedman
                        DanielFreedman @LesleyPaone last edited by

                        Prestashop....thanks for the heads up.

                        As they say on Teletubbies..."Uh-Oh!"

                        What is the  scuttlebutt on what the paid model would look like? What would be included?

                        Artfx....looks more and more like Magento might not be the right choice for you.

                        Never a good idea to swim towards a sinking ship! Even rats know better.

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                        • Artfx
                          Artfx @DanielFreedman last edited by

                          I considered Wordpress (it's my blog platform), but oh, the vulnerabilities! I have heard that it is the one of the best with regard to SEO. We have about 1000 SKU's, and are constantly adding and discontinuing items. Need a lot of flexibility in design and functionality - that's where I think Wordpress carts were falling short. We need lots of promotional pricing options, loyalty program, giftcard management, etc. Need a template-based system that allows us to add landing pages and content pages when ever we need them.

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                          • Artfx
                            Artfx @LesleyPaone last edited by

                            Really! Wow, my developer will be in for a shock. I assume they are focusing on their enterprise edition? Is there no more open source carts out there that are good?

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                            • Artfx
                              Artfx @DanielFreedman last edited by

                              Daniel - you are right. I am so glad I posted this! I hadn't a clue!

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                              • LesleyPaone
                                LesleyPaone @DanielFreedman last edited by

                                They have had a paid model for a while, it is called enterprise edition. If I remember correctly licenses start out around $14k a year. But at the same time I don't use Magento so I could be totally wrong, I just remember looking into it at one time and thinking it was too high.

                                PrestaShop is a good open source package. It is what I use.

                                But again I would just like to say these are rumors I have heard about Magento, they just seem true since they are shutting so much down.

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                                • DanielFreedman
                                  DanielFreedman last edited by

                                  So...this a great discussion. Yay!  Many thanks.

                                  And I appreciate everyone's perspectives.

                                  On the supposed security vulnerabilities of WordPress:

                                  **I think it is much exaggerated. **

                                  WordPress (and its plug ins) are certainly vulnerable...in the sense that they are ubiquitous.

                                  But so what?  In the real world...lots of people also break into Yale door locks...because there are so many of them. Does this mean Yale locks are inherently insecure? No. You just need to take reasonable precautions..given the ubiquity.

                                  Some of my clients with Wordpress sites have been hacked. In all cases, the problem was rectified within 3-9 hours (including night and weekends) due to robust back up plans.

                                  Like everything in life, all this is a tradeoff: sites that are seldom hacked due to obscuity...,vs. sites that are often hacked due to ubiquity.

                                  I have been at this a long time.

                                  My mega/meta/uber conclusions are:

                                  • go with a platform that will be here to stay

                                  • unbiquity is a virtue

                                  • beware of grandiose claims from obscure start-ups...or failing platforms

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                                  • LesleyPaone
                                    LesleyPaone @DanielFreedman last edited by

                                    The security issues with Wordpress are real. It was never designed to be an ecommerce platform, it lacks the security. One of the major security points is the login system. Wordpress only uses one login system, while most ecommerce applications use two. This means you are really open to a cracking type attack. One basic security principal is to never store your admin's in the same table that regular users are stored in. That way, if someone does crack a password in that table, all they will see is 1 user account information, not have control of the whole shop.

                                    Plus you run into the lack of features as a security issue too. Sure you can extend the features with plugins, then you have code written by who knows who, code that might not be secure or might have back doors in it. It is just a bad situation.

                                    Not to mention that the way the templates are written is a huge security risk as well. Wordpress has executable code in the template files. That is how their templates are made. I cannot thik of another ecommerce platform that does this. It kills the whole MVC principal which is built on scalabilty and security.

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                                    • RobertFisher
                                      RobertFisher @DanielFreedman last edited by

                                      Daniel,

                                      I like the WP Yoast combo as well. Another choice for that platform is WooCommerce. We have used that on several smaller ecommerce sites quite well.

                                      Best

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                                      • DanielFreedman
                                        DanielFreedman last edited by

                                        Some valid points re: Wordpress security. Some of these risks can be mitigated by a good developer taking reasonable precautions.

                                        I have sometimes used a custom e-commerce solution -- together with a WP/Yoast combo framework.

                                        I have also seen small clients drop a bundle on incredibly robust security for a site with little or no sales. So they are left with little money to spend on promotion or marketing. It's a bit like hiring armed guards and a supe-duper alarm system for an empty bank vault. You also need to think about getting some money on vault to start with.

                                        Like everything else in life, it's a risk tolerance trade off.

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                                        • LesleyPaone
                                          LesleyPaone @DanielFreedman last edited by

                                          I hate to be that guy, but the responsible dev practice in this situation is to not use Wordpress as an e-commerce platform.

                                          As far as platform everything is relative in cost. I can set a site up using PrestaShop for close to the same in cost as a site using Wordpress (I am shooting off the hip at what a general Wordpress e-commerce site would cost, but I am thinking 3-5k range just as far as time involved) Sure I do shops that cost 10 times that much, because they want custom features that are not part of the stock package.

                                          But lets speak on robust security and the cost of it. Say you create a site on PrestaShop and one on Wordpress. Say the PrestaShop site costs you more, just for sake of argument. Say 50% more.

                                          Then say the sites are pretty basic sites, they figure shipping manually in an easy way and they use Auth.net for processing transactions.

                                          Both platforms have a auth.net module for their ecommerce integration. But with Wordpress, who made the module? How secure is it? The PrestaShop one is developed by Auth.net and PrestaShop and has went through a 3rd party security analysis and testing.

                                          The default Wordpress login system will let you try as many password combinations as possible to get logged in. You can download and install a module like wp_better security to limit that though. But on the front end of an ecommerce site, how do you set that up for UX? If you lock people out of the site, you might miss sales. You would manually have to manage it, or just disable it, because it might be problematic if you have a site that has 1000 purchases a day, you might be spending a couple hours a day dealing with manual password resets and ip white listing. So I would be willing to bet that most merchants will either write a really lax rule or disable the module after a while, it will just cost them too much money. Since Wordpress uses the same login system for the regular customers and the admin, then it will leave the site open to be cracked on an admin level. But there is always the possibility that someone can create a privilege escalation attack too. Then a regular user's access has been escalated to a SU or Admin. But your site does not store credit card info, because you use the AIM method for auth.net, so they are not really going to get anything. OR are they? If it was me, I would just write an override that processed orders as normal, but at the same time printed the CC info to a text file. Then you would be none the wiser.

                                          Most CC issuers like Visa, Mastercard, ect charge about 10k a month for non compliance with PCI standards, that 50% dev cost can be mitigated real quick with a couple fines levied your way.

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                                          • RobertFisher
                                            RobertFisher @LesleyPaone last edited by

                                            Prestashop,

                                            I will come back in a few hours and add more re WP security and ecommerce, but I have to say that the last statement stands out: **Most CC issuers like Visa, Mastercard, ect charge about 10k a month for non compliance with PCI standards, that 50% dev cost can be mitigated real quick with a couple fines levied your way. **

                                            This is a strawman argument. I have been processing with MC, Visa, Amex, Discover, and even Diner's Club for 30 years. I have processed over $100 in that time 😉 In order to get a compliance fine, you are going to have to go well beyond choosing WordPress as your CMS on an ecommerce system. You are going to have to go well beyond someone getting into the system via a login and stealing all the data. Here is the question about it: "What was the compliance fine for Target after losing millions of cards and passwords?"

                                            Name a system and someone with enough desire and time can crack it. I just disagree that his is a reasonable argument for not using WP. There may be others, but this is not one I would use. We build ecommerce sites using WP and I have zero fear of exposing a client because of that. I think too often in our world people recommend against WP because it seems to be the vogue thing to do and we then don't think it through enough.

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