The Moz Q&A Forum

    • Forum
    • Questions
    • My Q&A
    • Users
    • Ask the Community

    Welcome to the Q&A Forum

    Browse the forum for helpful insights and fresh discussions about all things SEO.

    1. SEO and Digital Marketing Q&A Forum
    2. Categories
    3. Intermediate & Advanced SEO
    4. Is it safe to not have a sitemap if Google is already crawling my site every 5-10 min?

    Is it safe to not have a sitemap if Google is already crawling my site every 5-10 min?

    Intermediate & Advanced SEO
    5 3 471
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as question
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • BostonWright
      BostonWright last edited by

      I work on a large news site that is constantly being crawled by Google. Googlebot is hitting the homepage every 5-10 minutes. We are in the process of moving to a new CMS which has left our sitemap nonfunctional. Since we are getting crawled so often, I've met resistance from an overwhelmed development team that does not see creating sitemaps as a priority. My question is, are they right? What are some reasons that I can give to support my claim that creating an xml sitemap will improve crawl efficiency and indexing if we are already having new stories appear in Google SERPs within 10-15 minutes of publication? Is there a way to quantify what the difference would be if we added a sitemap?

      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • RobertFisher
        RobertFisher last edited by

        Jon

        You state you are a news site and you are moving to a new CMS. Assuming the Domain, URL's are the same, I can understand the dev team resistance. This is from WebMaster tools around news sites (bold is mine):

        A Google News Sitemap can help you control which content Google News crawls and can speed up the inclusion of your articles in Google News search results. You're welcome to submit your sitemap in your Webmaster Tools account prior to submitting your site for inclusion in Google News. However, only sitemaps associated with an approved site will be crawled without error by Google News.

        So, assuming you are already a Google News approved site, you can most likely move forward without immediately submitting a site map. Call me old fashion, but I still think a site map submission is important. But, again, I do get the dev teams resistance. Hope this at least assists your argument.

        One added bit of info, You could use a sitemap generator to take a load off of them. Here is a list of many sitemap generators. Since I am not in the dev shop, I cannot recommend any, but I do use the Screaming Frog Spider (never used their SM Generator) This way the Dev team would have a bit less work.

        Hope it helps you out a bit,

        BostonWright 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
        • BostonWright
          BostonWright @RobertFisher last edited by

          Thanks Robert. As you surmised, our URLs are not changing (thankfully!). Fortunately, for now, our Google News sitemap still works. The only arguments I've come up with so far are:

          1. Having a sitemap will help SEs recrawl updated stories faster.
          2. Having a sitemap will help SEs find out when a URL has changed.

          In my experience, Google does not index changes to existing pages as quickly as newly published articles. My thinking is that if we supply the changes via sitemap, reindexing speed will improve.

          Thoughts?

          RobertFisher 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • RobertFisher
            RobertFisher @BostonWright last edited by

            As to your 1, I would agree and suggest that it is important on a couple of SEO levels. If you have just updated a story and by virtue of that you have freshened the content. I would want that indexed quickly to move it up if at all possible. However, if you can tell in GWMT that the site is being indexed a couple of times an hour, I am not sure it strengthens your argument.

            As to your 2, I would say yes, but if you did a canonical or a 301 on the previous URL - as you should have - it is irrelevant.

            Best,

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • MattAntonino
              MattAntonino last edited by

              I agree with Robert on all points.

              To keep it out of the dev team's overwhelmed hands, just use http://code.google.com/p/googlesitemapgenerator/ or one of the many free generators online to create your sitemaps intermittently.

              Maybe 3 months or 6 months down the road the dev team can come up with something when they're less crushed from the site move and you can have them do something similar to Google XML sitemaps plugin for Wordpress which updates the sitemap everytime you add new content.  Until then, submitting the freely generated ones should give Google at least a little heads up and feel like you're doing the right thing.

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • 1 / 1
              • First post
                Last post
              • XML sitemap generator only crawling 20% of my site
                ChunkyChuck
                ChunkyChuck
                0
                12
                148

              • Sitemap Indexed Pages, Google Glitch or Problem With Site?
                rrhansen
                rrhansen
                0
                5
                653

              • My site shows 503 error to Google bot, but can see the site fine. Not indexing in Google. Help
                Everett
                Everett
                0
                3
                733

              • Google can't access/crawl my site!
                Travis_Bailey
                Travis_Bailey
                0
                16
                3.0k

              • Should I let Google crawl my production server if the site is still under development?
                DoItHappy
                DoItHappy
                0
                4
                291

              • Will Google bots crawl tablet optimized pages of our site?
                retailgeek
                retailgeek
                0
                3
                331

              • Can you explain why the site is dropping off Google every other week?
                TimGaunt
                TimGaunt
                0
                3
                406

              • Google crawl errors & serps [adult site]
                Ramp
                Ramp
                0
                6
                799

              Get started with Moz Pro!

              Unlock the power of advanced SEO tools and data-driven insights.

              Start my free trial
              Products
              • Moz Pro
              • Moz Local
              • Moz API
              • Moz Data
              • STAT
              • Product Updates
              Moz Solutions
              • SMB Solutions
              • Agency Solutions
              • Enterprise Solutions
              • Digital Marketers
              Free SEO Tools
              • Domain Authority Checker
              • Link Explorer
              • Keyword Explorer
              • Competitive Research
              • Brand Authority Checker
              • Local Citation Checker
              • MozBar Extension
              • MozCast
              Resources
              • Blog
              • SEO Learning Center
              • Help Hub
              • Beginner's Guide to SEO
              • How-to Guides
              • Moz Academy
              • API Docs
              About Moz
              • About
              • Team
              • Careers
              • Contact
              Why Moz
              • Case Studies
              • Testimonials
              Get Involved
              • Become an Affiliate
              • MozCon
              • Webinars
              • Practical Marketer Series
              • MozPod
              Connect with us

              Contact the Help team

              Join our newsletter
              Moz logo
              © 2021 - 2026 SEOMoz, Inc., a Ziff Davis company. All rights reserved. Moz is a registered trademark of SEOMoz, Inc.
              • Accessibility
              • Terms of Use
              • Privacy