Does Google+ make a huge difference?

[Gyi]

Mark,

You can post URLs, however, you might consider using a URL shortener service. If you're willing to share the searches and sites, I'd be happy to offer my .02.

[freebetinfo]

Ok, here are the websites in question.

• My site: http://bit.ly/MvT3gI
• Competitior: http://bit.ly/N5fS0N

Here's an example of a search term that we are nowhere for - "sportsbet", and they are ranked around #4, which is a very good ranking: http://bit.ly/Mjwe4v

The rankings are very similarly good for all his pages which refer to each bookmaker. All have lots of Facebook likes and Google+.

The reason I think he's paid for the social likes is because the sites really aren't the sort to become viral, and get links in a "real" way.

Appreaciate any input into this!

[Gyi]

.02 on quick glance:

It probably has more to do with the fact that they're specifically targeting "sportsbet" on that page and have built corresponding links. Unfortunately, doesn't look like Penguin has got to this one...yet...

Again, this is my opinion after a very brief look.

[freebetinfo]

When you say corresponding links, do you mean spam? External links?

[Gyi]

I mean the corresponding links to that specific page, which I agree, are spammy.

[loopyal]

You competitor's site does have a lot of likes and a lot of G+ hits.

The numbers of the G+ are very close for each page.

That may mean they just bought 70 G+ hits or maybe they made their visitors hit up all their pages for some benefit.

I've had G+ on my site all this year. We've done almost nothing to get people to like or G+ us - they just do it on their own.

We have just over 1000 likes and 40 G+

So for that site to have 70 G+ on most pages and 100 on the front page, seems very suspicious to me.

It could be they have fooled google. They have also done some great keyword stuffing in the text near the bottom of the front page. Many of our stories only get 5 to 8 G+ hits. I think maybe one page has 12. Google WMT says we don't have enough for them to show any stats. Also, it doesn't appear that we get much - if any - benefit from G+ hits. To begin with, G+ was a liability as all it did was slow down our pages.

They also have bold and put Betting in their subheads.

They also have double the linking domains you have

Looks close to over-optimization, but maybe its not quite enough for the google algorithm to flag it.

So all of that said, I think they are beating you because of their onpage  and offpage effort. You have done something similar to them, but they just did it better.

[freebetinfo]

I get most of what you say, except that they have put betting in their subheads. When looking at "sportsbet" as a google.com.au search term, I really don't understand why they should be ranked SO far ahead of us.

Regarding the linking domains, again, it's just spam. The links aren't real natural ones, and I don't want to go down that road.

I'm really losing faith/interest, call it what you will, in this game when a site like this is, to me, pretty clearly using dodgy tactics and is having this success

[freebetinfo]

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[loopyal]

Yes, all I am saying is the numbers are double. I have my own problems with google, so I am the last one to say how it really works, but maybe their ugly links don't fit the spam profile that would get them squashed.

Remember, google is not perfect. They can screw up just as any of us can. There must be hundreds of thousands or even millions of examples where people are looking at results and saying "why is that crap ahead of my site?"

[freebetinfo]

Just to follow up on this, today the competitor's site has disappeared from Google.

Again one up for decency! Glad to see things like this being punished.